Podcast 134: Retro Review: The Brave and the Bold #182

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Pulled from the longbox, I talk about one of my favorite issues in my collection: The Brave and the Bold #182 (cover date January 1982).

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Want to know more about the 1982 planetary convergence and the The Jupiter Effecthttp://mentalfloss.com/article/76906/why-some-people-thought-world-might-end-march-10-1982


Reading Pile: JLA vs JLA

I have a long list of trades sitting on my bookshelves that I’m slowly working my way through. One of these was a collection of JLA (1997-2006). Because I wasn’t reading that many comics in the late 90s, I missed my chance at jumping on board the Grant Morrison, Howard Porter, and John Dell issues, but at some point I bought the A New World Order collection of the first four issues. I enjoyed it, and decided that I would get the trades if I could do so cheaply. But when I got the Tower of Babel collection (which was probably the third trade that I got), I was hooked. I finally started buying the monthly issues, starting with #103, which was part of the “Pain of the Gods” storyline. Of course, the series then ended with #125. In the meantime, I was still getting trades. It took a while, but I finally got everything up to when I was getting the monthly issues.

I’ve spent the last year or so catching up, reading a few trades back to back. The Grant Morrison/Howard Porter stories are fantastic, and redefined what these heroes could be in the DCU. Mark Waid and Bryan Hitch’s work was interesting. But then came Joe Kelly and Doug Mahnke.

I thought no one could top Morrison as far as idea/story, but I was wrong. Kelly/Mahnke take what was built before to another level. The stories are bombastic and personal at the same time. On top of that, we got some meanderings into moral and subjective territory (“Golden Perfect”), and the beginnings of the Wonder Woman/Batman relationship, to name just a few things. Also, Mahnke threw in some wonderful visuals and gags.

Notice the bat in the background?

There are many things to love about the run by Kelly and the artists involved. Here are some items from each story that I loved.

“Two-Minute Warning”

  • The scene where Bats and Diana are sparring while Batman makes call after call (he’s multitasking).
  • Also, this:

“Bouncing Baby Boy”: Besides generally believing in Plastic Man, Batman even told PM that out of everybody in the group, he thought that PM would be the best father. This relationship would play out some more in a future story.

The Obsidian Age

  • After the JLA have been sent back in time, Batman initiates a replacement protocol to bring in others as JLAers, but the best part (as a Nightwing fan) was this:

  • I love it when Nightwing gets a chance to shine with the League. He even puts loudmouth Green Arrow in his place:

  • When I first got to the introduction of the ancient, Atlantean League, I thought how cool it would be to read more stories of their exploits in the DCU, but of course they’re the adversaries of the story.
  • I mentioned the WW/Bats relationship, and here is where we find out that Batman has a crush:

  • The ending to issue #73 where Flash is captured by the “bad” League and his legs are torn off! (I actually missed that the first time I read that page and was still shocked at the image when I looked at it again.)
  • In fact, the time-displaced JLAers all end up dead. Not sort of dead. Not pretending to be dead. They are killed in the past. Oh sure, they get better through magic, but it takes 3000 years! That was ballsey storytelling.
  • Finally, after the resurrection and the day is saved, we get this beautiful father-son moment:

Rules of Engagement

This story gets a little heavy-handed regarding politics, but it’s still an interesting examination of what happens when superheroes interfere with a sovereign entity, even if it is an alien one, and the debate the League has among its members was interesting to read. Meanwhile, Diana keeps pressing Bruce to talk about them. Speaking of relationships, Martian Manhunter has formed a partnership with Scorch to help him overcome his issue with fire, and they end up kissing at the end of the collection.

Trial by Fire

  • The whole Scorch thing turns out to be really bad for J’onn, but starts out having a positive effect on the world, and even Batman. On a visit to Arkham, all of his rogues are in dispair over what they’ve done. In fact, Joker is crying, begging to die. Batman’s response?

  • Later, when it’s revealed that a genetic block that was removed turned JJ into Fernus, Superman tells the League what we’ve all known, but few want to admit:

  • The JLAers do what they can to stop Fernus, but he’s just too powerful. So much so, in fact, that even Batman doesn’t know what to do next.

  • Fortunately, Plastic Man is back to help save the day, proving that the faith that Batman had in him was justified, but it was really Scorch who was the hero and the only one who truly sacrificed to keep the world safe. While the whole “Fernus was a genetically separate entity than J’onn” bit allowing J’onn to be absolved of sin was a bit of a cop out, it was interesting to see how bad ass a Martian can be.

The Tenth Circle

Speaking of bad, let’s talk briefly of the Chris Claremont and John Byrne arc, The Tenth Circle.

I will admit, when I had read that Byrne was doing JLA, I almost jumped on board with the monthly issues then, but a friend warned me it wasn’t that great. Boy, was he right. After reading such engaging stories before this, The Tenth Circle was boring schlock. It felt so dated, and the dialog was stiff, and there was nothing inventive at all here, not the least of which was the vampire antagonist. Sheesh. Who knows, perhaps there was some editorial meddling that brought this arc down, but somehow I doubt it. What an unfortunate way to end such a good reading run.

Reading Pile: Superman: The Secret Years; Time Masters; Green Wake

I have a long list of comics that I’ve acquired over the years that I fully intended on reading shortly after I bought them, but this and that happened, and I never got around to it. Until now. Recently, I finished reading two mini-series and the first arc of short-lived series. Here are my thoughts on Superman: The Secret Years, Time Masters: Vanishing Point, and Green Wake.

Superman: The Secret Years by Bob H. Rozakis (writer), Curt Swan (penciller), Kurt Schaffenberger (inker), Tom Ziuko (colorist), John Costanza (letterer), and covers by Frank Miller

I remember reading some backup stories in Superman comics (I forget which title specifically) called “The In-Between Years” chronicling Superman’s life between Smallville and living and working in Metropolis. This series is an extrapolation on this premise, focusing on Clark’s years at Metropolis University. The series is mostly these short done-in-one stories, with a few plot threads going through most of the issues. One common thread is Clark’s anxiety about being powerless to save everyone: his parents, his friends. This was back before the Crisis and the Kents (much like in the New 52 version) are dead before Clark fully became Superman. One of Clark’s roommates ends up drinking and driving and becomes paralyzed. And another Metropolis U student, Billy Cramer ends up dead as well.

There are some highlights. The love affair with Lori Lemaris is expanded on…slightly, but it’s still nice to see someone vying for Clark’s affections, and this story was always a favorite of mine from the original telling (“The Girl in Superman’s Past”). Clark decides to reveal his secret identity to Billy in issue two because he needs someone he can confide in, and why not a hometown boy? And there’s the progression of showing Clark/Superman maturing in the art. In issue one he is clearly more on the Superboy side than Superman, but by the end of the series, he is a young Superman for sure. I think that Kurt Schaffenberger had more to do with that than Curt Swan. I may anger some readers, but I think Swan only knew how to draw Superman as one particular age. Speaking of the art, what about Frank Miller on the covers?! This was before The Dark Knight Returns. Given the classic Swan art interiors, what a bizarre pairing.

Time Masters: Vanishing Point by Dan Jurgens (writer/layouts), Norm Rapmund (inker), Hi-Fi Colour Design (colors), Travis Lanham (letterer), and covers by Jurgens, Rapmund, & Hi-Fi Colour.

I got this series because I thought I would get some of the missing pieces between Final Crisis and The Return of Bruce Wayne. I did not. This series is mostly an exercise in filling time before Flashpoint happened. In fact, the final issue ends with us being told to read an issue of Booster Gold and Flashpoint #1 if we want to find out the answers to the mystery presented on the last page! I found that very frustrating. Also, the first issue’s cover implied that we would “find” the lost-in-the-time-stream Batman, and I guess that “promise” was fulfilled, but it one panel in the final issue and sort of told in flashback. And what good was there in having Superman, Green Lantern, and Booster Gold around, other than to help punch things on a few pages? For most of the series, they are superfluous to the story.

What I did enjoy were the glimpses into Rip Hunter’s childhood and his interactions with his father, the future Booster Gold. In fact, Daddy Hunter shows up in the guise of Supernova (whom I last saw in 52), a character that I’ve always enjoyed seeing in DC Comics.

Green Wake by Kurtis J Wiebe (writer), Riley Rossmo (artist/covers), and Kelly Tindall (letterer).

What a cool series. I have vague recollections that this was a mini-series, but then it was announced as an ongoing series, and then it was cancelled after issue 10. I read the first arc, issues 1-5, and now I think I need to go get the other five issues. The story is about a murderous spirit who is being pursued by two men in a place called Green Wake, which appears to be a kind of Purgatory (though one character likens the place to Hell). In fact, this series reminded me of certain aspects in Dark City and What Dreams May Come, with a dash of Seven thrown in. The Rossmo art fits the mood and setting perfectly, and Wiebe throws the right amount of introspection and pathos our way to make for an engaging story. The ending gets a little confusing, but I also like that you can interpret it a couple ways–that makes it a better story to me. Unlike the other two series described above, I do recommend picking this one up if you can find the back issues or trades.

Avengers Assemble!

I mentioned on Twitter that I had picked up a bunch of comics because my LCS is selling its overstock issues for a buck, and most of the comics were Marvel’s Avengers titles: Avengers, New Avengers, and Secret Avengers. After Civil War was done, I was actually going to get Avengers, but money at that time was a little tight, plus, I really don’t care for John Romita Jr.’s artwork, so I passed on it, but was still curious. I knew of the other two titles, but thought, how many Avengers books do you really need?

Apparently, at least three.

Avengers, written by Brian Michael Bendis with pencils by J.R. Jr. and inks by Klaus Janson, was ok. It’s nice seeing the band back together after what happened during Civil War, especially as written by Bendis. The whole Kang arc (1-6) was somewhat interesting because it turned out not to be your typical oh, look what your kids end up doing in the future time travel story, but just barely. I’d give this title a B-.

New Avengers, on the other hand, was a lot more fun, and I only read three issues! The Stuart Immonen and Wade Von Grawbadger art is oh so much better than J.R. Jr.’s work to me, and I think I just love the characters on this Avengers team much better for some reason. If you would have told me 20 years ago that I would absolutely love Luke Cage as an Avenger, let alone leading a team, I would have said, No way, True Believer! I loved the part where Tony Stark asks Luke for a dollar, and then sells Avengers mansion to Luke. And then, when Steve Rogers asks Luke who he wants on the team, but then immediately follows with, “You can’t have Thor or Iron Man,” I laughed! I wish I had picked up this book from the get-go. The only thing that would make this book better is if Spider-Woman was in it instead of in Avengers. I think I need to go get the back issues and get caught up on this. I’d give this title an A-.

Secret Avengers 1-4, written by Ed Brubaker with art by Mike Deodato, had an interesting plot involving Mars and Nova, whom I love. But the rest of the group? Don’t really care for them as a team. Deodato’s art is ok enough, but doesn’t excite me (though I like it better than J.R. Jr.–I need to stop complaining!) I’d give this title a C.

Retro Review: DC Comics Presents #36

Welcome to the final part of my look at DC Comics Presents #27-29 & 36.


There are a couple things to love about this issue for me. First, this is a sequel to the Mongul story from issues 27 & 28. Second, there’s Starman.


I first encountered this character from an issue of Adventure Comics (though I do not recall which one, but I do vaguely recall it was drawn by Steve Ditko), but I don’t think it was the issue shown above (man, there are times I kick myself for getting rid of some comics over the years–I will never, ever do that again). For some reason, I took a liking to the character (even the hokey costume design) and tried to find his other appearances, though I think I was pretty unsuccessful at this attempt. That is, until DCCP #36. Boy, was I pleasantly surprised when I saw Starman on that cover, and in a really cool blue costume!

DC Comics Presents #36 features Superman and Starman in a story titled “Whatever Happened to Starman?” Unlike the previous DC Comics Presents issues I’ve been looking at that were written by Len Wein, the story for this issue was coplotted by Paul Levitz and Jim Starlin. I love this cover. As with the cover of issue #27, I really like the juxtaposed colors. Then you have Mongul’s ugly mug colored the same as the Kirby crackled background. Finally, there’s the mass of blue that are Superman and Starman. Starlin definitely updated Starman’s costume for the better, and he looks even cooler with the white, fur cape inside the issue (this Starman is a prince).


The art in this issue is just fantastic. Starlin inks himself, and that really pays off. Also of note is dark backgrounds. Much of the action takes place in space, and either Starlin or colorist Gene D’Angelo (or both) decided to use blacks for the backgrounds. Sometimes the star-dotted black backgrounds swallow the foreground objects, but it makes the images look more real to me.

The first four pages of this issue serves as an introduction to the character as well as showing what happened after Starman last appeared in Adventure Comics. Starman, aka Prince Gavyn, has ascended to the throne of a far distant empire after the murder of the previous ruler, his sister. He attends her funeral and we get over a page explaining how he became Starman and then emperor. When Starman returns to his Throneworld he finds it ransacked and his betrothed kidnapped by a “monstrous being”. Despite this likely being a trap, Starman heads into space to save his wife-to-be and avenge the murder of his sister (because it must the same being he reasons).

There are two pages that involve Starman’s discussion with his dead mentor, Mn’torr (my, how subtle Starman’s creators were). During that talk, Starman learns that the empire will not survive and that he will receive help from beyond the known worlds. Starman continues his quest and does find his fiancée, as well as confronting her kidnapper: Mongul! There’s a brief fight where Mongul surrounds himself with some sort of energy field and hits Starman once, knocking the would-be hero out. Now, why didn’t Mongul use this power against J’onn J’onzz before the events of issue #27? :)

Starman awakens later to find himself in the familiar-to-us cube that held Superman’s friends in issue #27. So, what is it with Mongul and these size-reducing prisons? Is he such a petulant creature he must humiliate his prisoners by reducing them in size inside a clear, floating box? Or maybe it’s merely a matter of convenience? Regardless, Mongul leaves Starman in his prison with the threat of murder to force Starman’s fiancée to marry Mongul and “legitimately” become ruler of the empire. Some time later Starman is freed by Superman. This is on page 12: Superman doesn’t show up in his own book until page 12! I am amazed that this was allowed to happen. I can just imagine someone at DC responding, What? The star of the book doesn’t even appear until half-way through the story?! How did Starlin ever convince Julius Schwartz to go along with this? (I’d love to know this issue’s secret origin. Was Starlin behind it and Levitz was given to Starlin to help? Or, given that Starman was co-created by Levitz, maybe it was Levitz’s idea?)

Starman explains to Superman that Mongul plans to take control of the Imperial Crown, which can destroy planets with but a thought. At least Mongul is consistent in his desire for conquest by usurping power/weapons that can destroy worlds. The two heroes devise a plan to stop Mongul and head off to do that.

Back on Throneworld, Mongul is now emperor and about to stretch his near omnipotent control over the planets. Superman shows up to challenge Mongul to a knock-down, drag out, mano y mano.


Meanwhile, Starman is in the planetary system’s sun to dismantle or destroy the Imperial Crown’s power source. Once he sees the machine, he knows why he has the powers he does and who made the machine that made his bloodline emperors for generations. Back on Throneworld, Superman is succeeding in his bid to distract Mongul in a three-page fight scene that is drawn wonderfully. But Mongul proves to be more than a physical match for Superman and Mongul walks away from the fight. Ok, again I come back to what we know from issue #27, and how Mongul needed Superman to defeat J’onn J’onzz. Based on the fight we see here, that makes no sense whatsoever. In fact, Superman spells it out for us:


With Superman on ice, Mongul swaggers into a control room to contact his empire and decree that the empire shall marshal it’s forces to to strike against Mongul’s homeworld (remember that he was deposed by a religious fanatic) and then rule the universe! Poor Mongul. You would think he would start to develop an inferiority complex since even this plan fails. When he attempts to blow up one planet who refuses his will, his empire flies away. Literally!

DCCP36_04(Wow, someone sure liked the idea of engines large enough to move planets.
We get it here and with Warworld previously.)

Just then, Superman and Starman show up for round two. Luckily for them, Mongul just wants to go back to wherever he calls home now and lick his wounded ego. He teleports away, and the heroes collapse to the floor, exhausted. Later, Starman explains to Superman that the doomsday machine was built by Mn’Torr’s people, something that Mn’Torr apparently wanted to correct (and which got him killed). At the end, Starman reunites with his fiancée, and Superman flies out into space, heading home.

Given the focus that was on Starman, I can’t help but think that Starlin wanted to do a revival of the character (and perhaps Mongul would be Starman’s recurring nemesis?), so DC editorial used this as a testing ground to gauge fan interest. I certainly would have bought a new series starring (heh) Starman. In fact, I still would, if Starlin was working on it. If you want to know more about what happened to Starman after his adventure in this comic, check out the Wikipedia article on him (now I want to go read those comics).

Finally, getting back to the character thread that held my interest in this story for so long, we have a Superman who is not full of himself, even if he does rely a little too much on his fists instead of his brain. It shows a certain character development arc with Superman that I never expected in a team-up book, though this examination is inconsistent, as was demonstrated if you compare the first and third parts of this story with the second and fourth parts. Still, overall a pretty entertaining story.